Those of you who read my last post: "Animation the dying art form", might find it interesting that I also think that animation was also the most perfect art form.
In its most idyllic form.
Why.
Because it is the combination of ALL art forms.
Think about it.
All the development art, using everything from pastels to watercolors and pen and ink, YOU NAME IT! Acting and performance (THROUGH drawings)
Draughtsmanship, line quality, cinematic story telling, color and design, background and camera technique, post production and editing, rough sketch to the most elegant tight cleanup.
An art form where you have to study everything from dance and music to the way a woman walks or how a fat man picks his butt. Where you study the way animals move and behave so you can capture that in rough sketch form, to look at it and (hopefully) capture it so believably that you forget that you are looking at drawings. DRAWINGS!
Much like a symphony led by the conductor (director) conducting the trumpets, violins, oboes (development teams , animators, clean-up/inbetweeners), and of course, the triangle (storyboard artists-).
>:)
People from all departments coming together to communicate and create (again, hopefully) a fantastic piece of cinema. A fantastic piece of art.
Yup. Animation is to me the most perfect and complete art form.
Or rather, it USED to be.
Now again, don't get me wrong. I am not anti modern animation. In fact I think that its theatrically great now. Just as great if not even greater on some levels. But as I said in my previous post, the introduction of technology in such a massive way, while keeping the entertainment level on high, it has lowered the art form.
As an animator, I look at what we can do now, and it staggers me! We are no longer subject to the 2 dimensional. No longer chained to the flat world that we animate to. We have wide open skies to soar in and that's pretty frickin' insane to think about.
But....
While wonderful, I can in no way say that this is the most perfect and highest of all art forms. It simply isn't. While (theatrically speaking) there is no way to deny its benefits, ARTISTICALLY speaking it is on a par with high end 'Muzak'.
Those of you who know me, might find it staggering that I would say that. And even more so staggering to hear that I still LOVE animation...as a cinema and entertainment.
Sadly...not so much as an art form that it once was.
I know that there will be those that will say: "Handel, you ponce! There are still the designs that are drawn. Still the models that must be built, rigged, textured and painted!"
Believe me, I know. But while traditionally, animation was the marriage of so many great artists. great at what they do, following eachother up, all coming together. Today, It is the blend of some artist and allot of technical people. Sort of like a marriage of artist with allot of mechanics.
Don't get me wrong...I think on many levels that programmers and texture people are 'artists' in their own right. But the very fact that every bit of work that they do, be it texturing, programming, rigging, model building, etc.....doesn't exist.
Other than what is up on the screen...It does not exist.
And that now applies to the animation as well.
With that..how could anyone doubt that the 'ART FORM' has taken a hit. Has been lowered.
Of course it has.
It is not just in animation. Take what I MYSELF do. I do ALOT of work via my 'painter' and 'photoshop' programs. As with animation, you don't put on a tin foil hat and plug the computer into your noggin and say "PAINT". You actually paint it. Using all the techniques that you normally do in traditional mediums. You put just as much blood sweat and (well...less tears because their are so many fail safes with the tech). But your outcome...if you know what your doing will be a fine painting.
The difference is ...Unlike an oil, watercolor, or acrylic......your digital painting doesn't exist.
Just like the digital animation.
Oh it exists via whats on your monitor...and sure... You can make wonderful high end prints. EVEN stretch it on a canvas....but its not real. It doesn't exist.
I hear you arguing with me out there. Tell me...
What would you rather have? A beautiful high end PRINT of a Degas? OR an actual Degas?
A PRINT of a Jim Lee Batman? OR an actual pencil/inked Jim Lee Batman?
A PRINT of Frank Frazetta painting? OR an actual Frank Frazetta painting?
A PRINT of a Glen Keane 'Beast'? OR an actual Key from the movie?
You get me now?
Beauler?
Mcfly?
With the absence of the organic...then how can the ART FORM be anything BUT lessened.
So with the heavy development of technology today and our heavy desire to use it, the animator in me laughs with excitement. But the artist that I hope to aspire to be someday, cries for what was once, "the perfect art form".
Monday, October 29, 2007
Well...
I got the family on the 'j' train and sent them back to 'family land'. I also have tomorrow off so I'm going to sit down and jot my next post tonight and plunk it down for tomorrow. I looked at my last post and thought that It deserved a follow up.
So check it when it comes..
So check it when it comes..
Sunday, October 14, 2007
Animation: The dying artform.
Oooo. Ominous no?
When I was a Kid, Like many I grew up on a steady diet of TWO things.
Comics and Animation.
I'm glad to say that I worked in animation when they were going through the so called 'second golden age'.
When I was but a wee tot. I got a very special Christmas present. A first edition volume of "The Illusion of life". I looked through this book and was shell-shocked at these beautiful drawings. These fantastic and gorgeously rendered line drawings, that when placed one in front of the other created a movement.
It blew my mind at a young age, to see rough pencil tests. It really was ...magic.
Now you may remember the dust up that I had with my story guy goobers. I had said that while there is no 'easy' position in animation, that I believed that storyboarding was the easier of all positions because there just isn't as much demands on them as the other positions.
You didn't have to draw on 'model' and really there is not much use for them to draw all that pretty either. And when the technology comes crashing in, all the traditional animators had to make the jump!
And jump QUICK. So they had to learn the technology fast and shoot for the open positions.
Another example of the lack of demands on the story man camp. Not meant as a dig, but it is another thing that they don't have to worry about.
And that brings us (FINALLY) to the title of this post.
With traditional animation, the sky is the limit. You can do ANYTHING.
With the technology now...the universe is wide open.
But with the tech today, Sadly while opening up the possibilities, It lowers the art form.
It does.
And on a few levels as well.
Gone is everything organic about the art form.
NO roughs.
NO keys, NO beautiful key Cleanups, or inbetweens.
NOTHING tangible for students to look at or collectors to seek out. Nothing of substance, to frame and get lost in the real HISTORY of it.
"How many hands did this pass through?" "WHOSE hands did it pass through?"
"Look at the tape on the corner? Maybe it was taped on Fred's Wall!"
Nope.
No warmth.
No history.
No magic.
The most someone can hope for to look at or collect is something from development, and even that's pared down some due to technology-In way of painter and photo shop brushes and tools.
You could possibly get a lovely storyboard panel. IF your lucky to get one that IS indeed lovely.
Now don't get me wrong. I am not a uni bomber type. I am not anti technology. As I am someone that uses it every day in the work that I do. And yeah...some of the same things I'm talking about apply there as well. Not as much though, as I'll explain in a different post.
Again, I am not anti technology...I'm just pointing out a fact of the anim biz now. The sacrifice, for the gain.
I am just not sure if the sacrifices are worth the gains.
For the public OR the individual 'artist'.
I have always said, (again..to the consternation of industry friends) that: "There are far too many animators in this field and not enough artists." With animation going almost entirely digital now, It applies NOW more than ever.
Along with the loss of the tangibles, there is the danger of the animator losing his grasp on the basics. Lets count off some of these.
*He no longer needs to work on draughtsmanship.
*He no longer needs to study line quality.
*He no longer needs to draw on model.
*He is no longer challenged to keep up with the big boys in drawing their characters. (therefore growth!)
*He no longer has to learn and practice structure and volume!
*ALL this while knowing that each drawing is important to the ANIMATION, all of which cypher into the all important performance.
In short...He no longer (beyond thumbnails sketches) is required to DRAW anymore.
Some of these VERY SAME things were what I was slamming at the story goobers about. The story guy isnt CALLED to draw on model, or even well. With technology...the same thing can now be said about animators.
And thats not good folks.
NOPE! The animator just needs to concentrate on the performance in the acting. And the movement of the animation.
Now surly there will be animators out there that will say: "Handel...DUDE. Chill brah. I can still keep drawing. On my own time. ON my own stuff. Ya dig?"
But as an animator, I know that I personally would go in, wrap my left half of my buttock around the left side of the chair and wrap the right side of my buttock (my personal favorite side-birthmark.) around the right side of the chair...and there I would be till it was time to go home. Then I would PEEEEEEEEEEEEEL my booty off of that poor dented and somewhat rank chair (don't know why), go home and animate for a few more hours sometimes. In other words, there ain't a whole lot of spare time to do extra anything. And the spare time that you DO have...you want to do anything else other than draw.
Now to some animators, they'll say..."Well cool! cut out the middle man and concentrate on the important thing. The performance!!!
And therein lies the crux of what my original point is.
Yes. You can concentrate on the movement.
Yes. You can concentrate on the performance. All without having to worry about staying on model OR volume or about any charting for follow up.
But IF you are doing all of that WITHOUT having to draw anymore, you may well turn into a fantastic animator. But you are not furthering your artistic chops.
IN SHORT, to quote a wise man:
"There are far too many animators in this animation industry and not enough artists"
(Oh wait, that was ME.)
If you do NOT keep on drawing (Be it digital or traditional) Your ARTISTIC skills will falter.
Dat's fact jak.'
And as long as that continues to be the case, the films will be loverly indeed. With nice slick 3d(ish) animation. All of which is only 'animation'. With nothing to see, nothing to hold, nothing to study, Nothing to love OTHER than the animation of the film. Coming from animators who do 80% LESS drawing than they USED TO do, and whose artistic abilities because of that...decline further and further....
....In this industry called "Animation". The dying art form.
When I was a Kid, Like many I grew up on a steady diet of TWO things.
Comics and Animation.
I'm glad to say that I worked in animation when they were going through the so called 'second golden age'.
When I was but a wee tot. I got a very special Christmas present. A first edition volume of "The Illusion of life". I looked through this book and was shell-shocked at these beautiful drawings. These fantastic and gorgeously rendered line drawings, that when placed one in front of the other created a movement.
It blew my mind at a young age, to see rough pencil tests. It really was ...magic.
Now you may remember the dust up that I had with my story guy goobers. I had said that while there is no 'easy' position in animation, that I believed that storyboarding was the easier of all positions because there just isn't as much demands on them as the other positions.
You didn't have to draw on 'model' and really there is not much use for them to draw all that pretty either. And when the technology comes crashing in, all the traditional animators had to make the jump!
And jump QUICK. So they had to learn the technology fast and shoot for the open positions.
Another example of the lack of demands on the story man camp. Not meant as a dig, but it is another thing that they don't have to worry about.
And that brings us (FINALLY) to the title of this post.
With traditional animation, the sky is the limit. You can do ANYTHING.
With the technology now...the universe is wide open.
But with the tech today, Sadly while opening up the possibilities, It lowers the art form.
It does.
And on a few levels as well.
Gone is everything organic about the art form.
NO roughs.
NO keys, NO beautiful key Cleanups, or inbetweens.
NOTHING tangible for students to look at or collectors to seek out. Nothing of substance, to frame and get lost in the real HISTORY of it.
"How many hands did this pass through?" "WHOSE hands did it pass through?"
"Look at the tape on the corner? Maybe it was taped on Fred's Wall!"
Nope.
No warmth.
No history.
No magic.
The most someone can hope for to look at or collect is something from development, and even that's pared down some due to technology-In way of painter and photo shop brushes and tools.
You could possibly get a lovely storyboard panel. IF your lucky to get one that IS indeed lovely.
Now don't get me wrong. I am not a uni bomber type. I am not anti technology. As I am someone that uses it every day in the work that I do. And yeah...some of the same things I'm talking about apply there as well. Not as much though, as I'll explain in a different post.
Again, I am not anti technology...I'm just pointing out a fact of the anim biz now. The sacrifice, for the gain.
I am just not sure if the sacrifices are worth the gains.
For the public OR the individual 'artist'.
I have always said, (again..to the consternation of industry friends) that: "There are far too many animators in this field and not enough artists." With animation going almost entirely digital now, It applies NOW more than ever.
Along with the loss of the tangibles, there is the danger of the animator losing his grasp on the basics. Lets count off some of these.
*He no longer needs to work on draughtsmanship.
*He no longer needs to study line quality.
*He no longer needs to draw on model.
*He is no longer challenged to keep up with the big boys in drawing their characters. (therefore growth!)
*He no longer has to learn and practice structure and volume!
*ALL this while knowing that each drawing is important to the ANIMATION, all of which cypher into the all important performance.
In short...He no longer (beyond thumbnails sketches) is required to DRAW anymore.
Some of these VERY SAME things were what I was slamming at the story goobers about. The story guy isnt CALLED to draw on model, or even well. With technology...the same thing can now be said about animators.
And thats not good folks.
NOPE! The animator just needs to concentrate on the performance in the acting. And the movement of the animation.
Now surly there will be animators out there that will say: "Handel...DUDE. Chill brah. I can still keep drawing. On my own time. ON my own stuff. Ya dig?"
But as an animator, I know that I personally would go in, wrap my left half of my buttock around the left side of the chair and wrap the right side of my buttock (my personal favorite side-birthmark.) around the right side of the chair...and there I would be till it was time to go home. Then I would PEEEEEEEEEEEEEL my booty off of that poor dented and somewhat rank chair (don't know why), go home and animate for a few more hours sometimes. In other words, there ain't a whole lot of spare time to do extra anything. And the spare time that you DO have...you want to do anything else other than draw.
Now to some animators, they'll say..."Well cool! cut out the middle man and concentrate on the important thing. The performance!!!
And therein lies the crux of what my original point is.
Yes. You can concentrate on the movement.
Yes. You can concentrate on the performance. All without having to worry about staying on model OR volume or about any charting for follow up.
But IF you are doing all of that WITHOUT having to draw anymore, you may well turn into a fantastic animator. But you are not furthering your artistic chops.
IN SHORT, to quote a wise man:
"There are far too many animators in this animation industry and not enough artists"
(Oh wait, that was ME.)
If you do NOT keep on drawing (Be it digital or traditional) Your ARTISTIC skills will falter.
Dat's fact jak.'
And as long as that continues to be the case, the films will be loverly indeed. With nice slick 3d(ish) animation. All of which is only 'animation'. With nothing to see, nothing to hold, nothing to study, Nothing to love OTHER than the animation of the film. Coming from animators who do 80% LESS drawing than they USED TO do, and whose artistic abilities because of that...decline further and further....
....In this industry called "Animation". The dying art form.
Thursday, October 11, 2007
Jeez! You sit down to write a quick post on animation...
And that 'quick post' turns into a friggin TWO parter. So I'm going to have to do some editing on it.It might still be a two parter, but at least it'll be pared down abit.
So until then, I'll put up a 'short' little PRE- animation post.
I saw a little bit from robo regarding my post to him about a possible meet up at the con. Hopefully both our schedules will allow it. Who knows.
Robo::
"""Oh yeah, our old friend Handel written me....and has either invited me to dinner or challenged me to a fight. If Handel and I ever do meet in real life, I'm sure we'll be civil. Nobody "swings on" anyone in real life.""""
Yeah. I'm sure we will. Although I would have a drink. Just to be loosey goosey. No reason to get in each others face right off the bat. Which while 'swinging' would more than likely not happen, getting in each others face is entirely possible. Truthfully, If a brawl did break out, more than likely it would resemble the 'walk off' fight in "Zoolander".
And we would somehow end up covered in Salad, which would be odd since neither of us would be eating salad. And odder still, Robo's pants would be unzipped. (Trust me on this...I don't know why. It's his trademark fighting style. He calls it "ruddy Eskimo style". I call it "ew").
Robo:::
""""Nobody "swings on" anyone in real life...well, except Danny Bonaduce. And Handel is NOT Danny Bonaduce. Or Russel Crowe or even Jon Lovitz. Trust me.""
This is...thankfully true. But If I WERE Danny Bonaduce, that would make robo my: Johnny Fairplay!
If I WERE Russel Crowe, that would make robo..every J.O. in the known world.
If I WERE Jon Lovitz, that would make robo: Andy Dick!
Well...At least the last name is most fitting.
robo::
"""..Then he quit posting and would only comment from the relative safety of his blog. I started "Pointed Stick" to argue with his because I didn't want to clutter up this place with arguments that had nothing to do with the strip."""
Robo..Please. "Relative safety of his blog"? Robo....you make it sound as if I am running from any sort of debate you might have to offer. Nothing could be further from the truth. Anytime you wanna debate anything....A N Y T H I N G. I'm right here.
In fact its quite the opposite, it is you that is the one that cant seem to keep up. But I'm patient robo. Very very patient.
And to clarify again (I often have to repeat myself in your case), I stopped posting on your bloggy because as I said...IF I'm going to have THIS blog, I just couldn't spend that much time posting on other blogs AND this one. Its just not possible. Plus that just gets people reading YOUR blog to see what I HAVE to say. No point really. THIS WAY- we both have our say. And also...In all honesty, I really did see your point when you said that it took too much of your comments section. So I stopped. I can say everything I need to say...RIGHT HERE. And say it I do.
robo::
"" After a while, it just felt futile, and I lost interest. Also, calmer heads here at work said that I shouldn't even bother and that Handel wasn't worth the effort.""
I fully agree! Not worth the effort! Not in the slightest. I just calls em' as I see's em. Pansies and p&^&^%$'ies. I'll leave it to you and countsy to figure out which of you is which.
But please...Realize that I mean this in a very loving and warm way.
robo::
""" I checked out his blog on Sunday out of habit and saw his little drunken invitation to the dance.""
Oh robo. Two glasses of wine hardly make for 'drunken'. At least for most people (lightweight).
And I didn't invite you to a 'dance'. It was an invite to a drink, perhaps some noodle salad, a slab of jerky..maybe some nachos(mmm nachos). NOT a 'dance'.
Or are you using hip, youngster lingo? I truly HOPE you think that I was inviting you to a 'dance', because after someone adopts the youngster lingo, then you start buying jazzy sports cars, and then big gawdy silver belt buckles that say "MANSTER". And a leather jacket with a giant eagle embroidered on the back. Perhaps some 'gator' boots!
Oh robo...say it ain't so. Say it ain't so.
robo::
""""I don't think I'll be taking an entire evening to dine with Handel, as I'd much rather spend those evenings with my lovely wife,..."""
OK EVERYONE! THAT'S OUR CUE! ALL TOGETHER NOW!
""AAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!""
Seriously, that's very sweet. And I can fully understand that! Trust me. There are more pleasant ways for me to spend an evening as well. Like clenching my fist, carefully placing razor blades between each of my clenched fingers, and trying to swallow my entire hand. Blades and all.
But It is my way to reaching out to the intellectually challenged. I'm looking to help you out. I got to thinkin' about your musical theories. You know? Where you listen to the 'spin doctors' and think your a surgeon? Or listen to Miles Davis and then believe your a trumpet player? Yeah, that!
Well...I'm a'thinkin that maybe...JUST MAYBE mind you...Maybe if you hang out with me for like 10 minutes, that a little bit of me might rub off on ya! And you will hopefully be able to think clearly. Just a little bit. Well...that's my hope. A dream? Maybe. I just want the best for ya robo.
10 minutes might be too short, but we'll do what we can. (just don't go all 'ruddy Eskimo' on me).
robo::
"""...but we just might run into each other. If we do, it'll be interesting!"""
Well of course! I'm a very interesting fellow. Which means, that YOU wont be the one that falls asleep at dinner.
Mark Kennedy:::
"""You are right about Handel's artistic criticisms: they were always interesting and I enjoyed them. I am sorry to see that it turned so bad.""
Mark! Don't be sorry pallie. Nothing 'turned bad'. Its all good. Its just what it is. Ya know? You are a kind and oh so gentle soul. And if it were possible, I would hold you up (as in roots) and say to the Heavens, "THIS!! THIS OH LORD!! IS A GOOD AND DECENT FELLOW! KIND, GENTLE, WITH GOOD BLOG!! AND SMELLS OF LILACS AND DAFFODILS!"
But that would require me having to shower and put on pants and maybe shave (my neck and half my back and surprisingly my left foot-don't ask). More work than I think would be worth the effort I'm afraid.
countsy:::
"""You know there's no way in hell I can stay away from Comicon next year now. I'm going with three margaritas in me!!! Kick ass recap man!""
(Note to self....checklist for con.
Clean pair of man panties?: CHECK!
Toothbrush?: CHECK!
Taser?: CHECK!
Hacksaw?: CHECK!
Garbage bags?: CHECK!
Clear rout to ocean marked out?:CHECK!
Visa card ready to buy round of drinks for bar patrons, to celebrate the cleaning of the city of unsightly mess. Aw, what the heck- TWO rounds and nachos.: CHECK!!
scrblls::
""Seriously you guys should hug or something!""
gareth:
"" Handel... what a guy! I hoping you guys hug and make up.""
WOW! There seems to be allot of GUYS wanting to see us get all huggy up on each other robo!Well...these ARE your pals. (Ahem)
I'm remembering that photo of countsy and robo..hugging.
One guy looked all too willing to get cuddly and cozy, and the other looked as if he were made of wood! Very uncomfortable with the huggy's! Or so it seemed from the pic.
So what do ya say, robo? You wanna get all huggy baby's? I don't know, maybe. You ARE A SAN-FRAN MAN now.
COUGH COUGH COUGHruddyeskimoCOUGH COUGH COUGH!!
So that's that. Post coming soon..On animation.
So until then, I'll put up a 'short' little PRE- animation post.
I saw a little bit from robo regarding my post to him about a possible meet up at the con. Hopefully both our schedules will allow it. Who knows.
Robo::
"""Oh yeah, our old friend Handel written me....and has either invited me to dinner or challenged me to a fight. If Handel and I ever do meet in real life, I'm sure we'll be civil. Nobody "swings on" anyone in real life.""""
Yeah. I'm sure we will. Although I would have a drink. Just to be loosey goosey. No reason to get in each others face right off the bat. Which while 'swinging' would more than likely not happen, getting in each others face is entirely possible. Truthfully, If a brawl did break out, more than likely it would resemble the 'walk off' fight in "Zoolander".
And we would somehow end up covered in Salad, which would be odd since neither of us would be eating salad. And odder still, Robo's pants would be unzipped. (Trust me on this...I don't know why. It's his trademark fighting style. He calls it "ruddy Eskimo style". I call it "ew").
Robo:::
""""Nobody "swings on" anyone in real life...well, except Danny Bonaduce. And Handel is NOT Danny Bonaduce. Or Russel Crowe or even Jon Lovitz. Trust me.""
This is...thankfully true. But If I WERE Danny Bonaduce, that would make robo my: Johnny Fairplay!
If I WERE Russel Crowe, that would make robo..every J.O. in the known world.
If I WERE Jon Lovitz, that would make robo: Andy Dick!
Well...At least the last name is most fitting.
robo::
"""..Then he quit posting and would only comment from the relative safety of his blog. I started "Pointed Stick" to argue with his because I didn't want to clutter up this place with arguments that had nothing to do with the strip."""
Robo..Please. "Relative safety of his blog"? Robo....you make it sound as if I am running from any sort of debate you might have to offer. Nothing could be further from the truth. Anytime you wanna debate anything....A N Y T H I N G. I'm right here.
In fact its quite the opposite, it is you that is the one that cant seem to keep up. But I'm patient robo. Very very patient.
And to clarify again (I often have to repeat myself in your case), I stopped posting on your bloggy because as I said...IF I'm going to have THIS blog, I just couldn't spend that much time posting on other blogs AND this one. Its just not possible. Plus that just gets people reading YOUR blog to see what I HAVE to say. No point really. THIS WAY- we both have our say. And also...In all honesty, I really did see your point when you said that it took too much of your comments section. So I stopped. I can say everything I need to say...RIGHT HERE. And say it I do.
robo::
"" After a while, it just felt futile, and I lost interest. Also, calmer heads here at work said that I shouldn't even bother and that Handel wasn't worth the effort.""
I fully agree! Not worth the effort! Not in the slightest. I just calls em' as I see's em. Pansies and p&^&^%$'ies. I'll leave it to you and countsy to figure out which of you is which.
But please...Realize that I mean this in a very loving and warm way.
robo::
""" I checked out his blog on Sunday out of habit and saw his little drunken invitation to the dance.""
Oh robo. Two glasses of wine hardly make for 'drunken'. At least for most people (lightweight).
And I didn't invite you to a 'dance'. It was an invite to a drink, perhaps some noodle salad, a slab of jerky..maybe some nachos(mmm nachos). NOT a 'dance'.
Or are you using hip, youngster lingo? I truly HOPE you think that I was inviting you to a 'dance', because after someone adopts the youngster lingo, then you start buying jazzy sports cars, and then big gawdy silver belt buckles that say "MANSTER". And a leather jacket with a giant eagle embroidered on the back. Perhaps some 'gator' boots!
Oh robo...say it ain't so. Say it ain't so.
robo::
""""I don't think I'll be taking an entire evening to dine with Handel, as I'd much rather spend those evenings with my lovely wife,..."""
OK EVERYONE! THAT'S OUR CUE! ALL TOGETHER NOW!
""AAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!""
Seriously, that's very sweet. And I can fully understand that! Trust me. There are more pleasant ways for me to spend an evening as well. Like clenching my fist, carefully placing razor blades between each of my clenched fingers, and trying to swallow my entire hand. Blades and all.
But It is my way to reaching out to the intellectually challenged. I'm looking to help you out. I got to thinkin' about your musical theories. You know? Where you listen to the 'spin doctors' and think your a surgeon? Or listen to Miles Davis and then believe your a trumpet player? Yeah, that!
Well...I'm a'thinkin that maybe...JUST MAYBE mind you...Maybe if you hang out with me for like 10 minutes, that a little bit of me might rub off on ya! And you will hopefully be able to think clearly. Just a little bit. Well...that's my hope. A dream? Maybe. I just want the best for ya robo.
10 minutes might be too short, but we'll do what we can. (just don't go all 'ruddy Eskimo' on me).
robo::
"""...but we just might run into each other. If we do, it'll be interesting!"""
Well of course! I'm a very interesting fellow. Which means, that YOU wont be the one that falls asleep at dinner.
Mark Kennedy:::
"""You are right about Handel's artistic criticisms: they were always interesting and I enjoyed them. I am sorry to see that it turned so bad.""
Mark! Don't be sorry pallie. Nothing 'turned bad'. Its all good. Its just what it is. Ya know? You are a kind and oh so gentle soul. And if it were possible, I would hold you up (as in roots) and say to the Heavens, "THIS!! THIS OH LORD!! IS A GOOD AND DECENT FELLOW! KIND, GENTLE, WITH GOOD BLOG!! AND SMELLS OF LILACS AND DAFFODILS!"
But that would require me having to shower and put on pants and maybe shave (my neck and half my back and surprisingly my left foot-don't ask). More work than I think would be worth the effort I'm afraid.
countsy:::
"""You know there's no way in hell I can stay away from Comicon next year now. I'm going with three margaritas in me!!! Kick ass recap man!""
(Note to self....checklist for con.
Clean pair of man panties?: CHECK!
Toothbrush?: CHECK!
Taser?: CHECK!
Hacksaw?: CHECK!
Garbage bags?: CHECK!
Clear rout to ocean marked out?:CHECK!
Visa card ready to buy round of drinks for bar patrons, to celebrate the cleaning of the city of unsightly mess. Aw, what the heck- TWO rounds and nachos.: CHECK!!
scrblls::
""Seriously you guys should hug or something!""
gareth:
"" Handel... what a guy! I hoping you guys hug and make up.""
WOW! There seems to be allot of GUYS wanting to see us get all huggy up on each other robo!Well...these ARE your pals. (Ahem)
I'm remembering that photo of countsy and robo..hugging.
One guy looked all too willing to get cuddly and cozy, and the other looked as if he were made of wood! Very uncomfortable with the huggy's! Or so it seemed from the pic.
So what do ya say, robo? You wanna get all huggy baby's? I don't know, maybe. You ARE A SAN-FRAN MAN now.
COUGH COUGH COUGHruddyeskimoCOUGH COUGH COUGH!!
So that's that. Post coming soon..On animation.
Monday, October 08, 2007
new post in a day....
So look for it onnnnnnnn....hmmm. Tomorrow?
No.
Getting my hair done.
Tomorrow night?
No. Nails and my 'kini' wax.
WEDNESDAY.
It will be just some thoughts on animation. My next few will probably be on animation. SPECIFICALLY animation. Lest some hypersensitive whiny story guys think me picking on them all the time.
This time...There might be some animators cranky with me. Maybe.
As with the story goons, My intent is not to go out and piss people off. These are MY feelings and MY opinions. I am open to a debate. (blog to blog). But I must insist that you debate with clarity and intelligence. In short: NOT like countsy and robo debate.
Although robo at least tries to fake it better than countsy.
Tsk tsk tsk...Ohhhh robo. Robo, Robo....robo. Anyone ever see 'Invasion of the body snatchers'?
But I digress.
Look for it then, If ya care.
No.
Getting my hair done.
Tomorrow night?
No. Nails and my 'kini' wax.
WEDNESDAY.
It will be just some thoughts on animation. My next few will probably be on animation. SPECIFICALLY animation. Lest some hypersensitive whiny story guys think me picking on them all the time.
This time...There might be some animators cranky with me. Maybe.
As with the story goons, My intent is not to go out and piss people off. These are MY feelings and MY opinions. I am open to a debate. (blog to blog). But I must insist that you debate with clarity and intelligence. In short: NOT like countsy and robo debate.
Although robo at least tries to fake it better than countsy.
Tsk tsk tsk...Ohhhh robo. Robo, Robo....robo. Anyone ever see 'Invasion of the body snatchers'?
But I digress.
Look for it then, If ya care.
Sunday, October 07, 2007
HEY ROBO!!
GUESS WHAT MOVIE I'M WATCHIN NOW!!
You know, Robo..I may have a surprise for you..coming really soon.
Its gonna be a doozy. Your either going to be really happy about it, or really pissed off about it.
I cant wait to see! I'm almost peeing on myself with anticipation.
>:)
I dont know if its the wine or the movie or what?? But I want to put this invite to you. I AM trying my best to make it to the san diego comic con next year. Have you ever been there? Maybe yes, maybe no?
If you plan on making it there, lets maybe meet up.
Come alone.
I"m interested in meeting YOU. You've always been more interesting to me, than countsy.
Who knows..we might hit it off.
Ya think?
If your married...dont bother. I wont have my wife there...I'm interested in YOU. If your married or have a boy toy..(countsy?) leave it behind.
You and me. Lets grapple, big boy.
We'll either have drinks ..and get along, or kill eachother. Best man wins.
What do ya say "robo".
You game or are ya....'gay'?
Robo...this is a genuine invitation. Not just a blog throwdown. Make no mistake......You piss me off. You REALLY, REALLY PISS me off.
But you interest me.
You wanna go mano a mano?
You let me know.
If...AND granted....thats a big IF... IF schedules work out on both our ends....lets meet up.
For at least a dinner and drinks. Or maybe just drinks. There are lots of folks that hate me and lots of folks that love me. But I'm pickin YOU. YOU! DONT you feel honored??>:)
YOU and ME.
Not interested in your wife. Not interested in your pansy ass friends. Not interested in your new found pragmatic musical theories. Not interested in your stupid dogs or cats.
YOU....and......ME.
Word of advice?
Come with at least a drink in you.
I will. Otherwise I'm gonna swing on you. I will. NO joke. So I will have at least ONE margarita or wine in me before I meet you. It will put me in a better mood. Trust me.
IF I see countsy? I'll knock the shit out of him. And that's serious Robo. I WILL beat the shit out of him.
Because I'm SERIOUS about this. I expect you to have the brains....or 'PRAGMATISM' to know that I AM serious about this. You wanna meet? leave the boy toy at home. And the wife.
IF you're interested in this. Even REMOTELY! Tell me now. Because (in my case) it would need to be planned way in advance.
What do you say puss-ass? You interested? You interested in a meeting?
Mano a Mano? If so...then I'll pick a spot for us to meet up at. Night. Drinks or dinner. You let me know on your Lavern and chirppy blog and we'll go from there.
A wise man once said..:
"I'm used to whiskey.
Whiskey is a slap on the back.
Champagne is heavy mist before my eyes"
Comon Robo.....I'm comin to YOUR neighborhood (possibly--schedule permitting).
You up for it?
Dare ya.
Double Dare ya.
We either hug.
Or one of us wont come in the following Monday due to a broken arm.
Sounds fun dun' it?
You let me know sunshine.
PS: The chair is not my child. The CHAIR....... is NOT.... my child.
HaNdEl
You know, Robo..I may have a surprise for you..coming really soon.
Its gonna be a doozy. Your either going to be really happy about it, or really pissed off about it.
I cant wait to see! I'm almost peeing on myself with anticipation.
>:)
I dont know if its the wine or the movie or what?? But I want to put this invite to you. I AM trying my best to make it to the san diego comic con next year. Have you ever been there? Maybe yes, maybe no?
If you plan on making it there, lets maybe meet up.
Come alone.
I"m interested in meeting YOU. You've always been more interesting to me, than countsy.
Who knows..we might hit it off.
Ya think?
If your married...dont bother. I wont have my wife there...I'm interested in YOU. If your married or have a boy toy..(countsy?) leave it behind.
You and me. Lets grapple, big boy.
We'll either have drinks ..and get along, or kill eachother. Best man wins.
What do ya say "robo".
You game or are ya....'gay'?
Robo...this is a genuine invitation. Not just a blog throwdown. Make no mistake......You piss me off. You REALLY, REALLY PISS me off.
But you interest me.
You wanna go mano a mano?
You let me know.
If...AND granted....thats a big IF... IF schedules work out on both our ends....lets meet up.
For at least a dinner and drinks. Or maybe just drinks. There are lots of folks that hate me and lots of folks that love me. But I'm pickin YOU. YOU! DONT you feel honored??>:)
YOU and ME.
Not interested in your wife. Not interested in your pansy ass friends. Not interested in your new found pragmatic musical theories. Not interested in your stupid dogs or cats.
YOU....and......ME.
Word of advice?
Come with at least a drink in you.
I will. Otherwise I'm gonna swing on you. I will. NO joke. So I will have at least ONE margarita or wine in me before I meet you. It will put me in a better mood. Trust me.
IF I see countsy? I'll knock the shit out of him. And that's serious Robo. I WILL beat the shit out of him.
Because I'm SERIOUS about this. I expect you to have the brains....or 'PRAGMATISM' to know that I AM serious about this. You wanna meet? leave the boy toy at home. And the wife.
IF you're interested in this. Even REMOTELY! Tell me now. Because (in my case) it would need to be planned way in advance.
What do you say puss-ass? You interested? You interested in a meeting?
Mano a Mano? If so...then I'll pick a spot for us to meet up at. Night. Drinks or dinner. You let me know on your Lavern and chirppy blog and we'll go from there.
A wise man once said..:
"I'm used to whiskey.
Whiskey is a slap on the back.
Champagne is heavy mist before my eyes"
Comon Robo.....I'm comin to YOUR neighborhood (possibly--schedule permitting).
You up for it?
Dare ya.
Double Dare ya.
We either hug.
Or one of us wont come in the following Monday due to a broken arm.
Sounds fun dun' it?
You let me know sunshine.
PS: The chair is not my child. The CHAIR....... is NOT.... my child.
HaNdEl
Wednesday, October 03, 2007
Ok, sorry for the delay.
The long awaited countsy response.
I see that you have taken down your blog countsy, so I'll respond as best I can from my memory of your last post.
you had a freeze screen up of a member to the 'comic space' group, that you associate to be me, and your caption is something to the effect of: " surprising, this from a guy who doesn't need the praise".
Lets look at some aspects of the member that you posted.
he/she is a member of the "comicspace forum"
As I said A LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago, I am involved in several art/animation/comics forums.
And I too am a member of the 'comic space forum.
When I look at this members gallery, I find it interesting that this person has four pieces in the 'gallery'. As opposed to most everyone else who has OOODLES AND OOOODLES of pieces up in their respective galleries. I also find it interesting that he/she has apparently entered those four pieces within a couple days--way back in what...may?
Now the work is fairly competent, doesn't he have any thing else to show? Or maybe he doesn't want to have a whole lot up. Why do you think that is the case oh king of stupid?
Lets move on to another point. Lets just say that it WAS me. Cute, cuddly, pizza nippled me.
IF you can remember a little while back, I remember telling robo, that I had spoken to some friends that are comic book artists(funnily enough through 'comicspace'). Telling them that I thought you guys were butt sniffers.
They (for the most part) pretty much agreed, being that you all were pretty much doing this for nothing more than being stroked by your friends. But they ALL told me that I was essentially going a bit far with my thoughts on 'art blogs'. That they, being artists in the comics, use their respective blogs as extensions of their portfolio's. And that it opens tons of doors for commission work, and that they have received numerous job offers THROUGH and because of them. They were serving a purpose OTHER than stoking their egos (which they said they didn't mind that either!:).
So I thought about this countsy. I thought about it long and hard. I kept telling robo that I might have an 'apology' for him. I finally DID tell him (robo) that after talking to my buddies, that I think I may have been a bit hard on him (and for that matter-you) on the blog issue. Now while I still think you two are kind of butt sniffers, I DO think that the blog thing can be useful in other ways other than making your friends giggle like school girls.
And I've even come around to the idea of putting up some work on a blog (at some point). So IF I were to open up a gallery on comic space, it might be very similar to the member that you screen saved. very sparse until I feel good about it. More comfortable with it.
But that's a fact jack. Nothing inconsistent at all. Just go back on my blog and look for what I told robo. Or (if his 'pragmatic' mind hasn't lapsed) ask him about it. Whether or not I said, JUST THAT.
The other thing if I remember correctly, is a screen grab of a 'references' list?
Listing robo, right?
Boy that IS something. Sooooooooooo, lets see. IF this guy IS me....THAT'S nerve huh??
My goodness gracious!! That would make me the ballsiest dude ON THE FACE
OF, OF
THE, THE
EARTH! EARTH,EARTH!!!!
We're talkin van wilder's bulldog cahones!! whoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
BAD MAMMMA JAMMMUH!!
Man, I seriously HOPE its me, because that's pretty balls nasty. If its NOT me, lets just say it IS, because that's so friggin impressive.Whew!!
Look countcrusty. I'm guessing by your 'this is priceless' comment, that IF this WAS me, you cant understand it. But now that I think about it, If I knew someone in the industry who I just don't get along with or didn't see I to eye with, and yet they were competent and good at what they did. I would TELL them to go ahead and list me as a reference and I would list THEM as such.
Even YOU..if someone came up to me and said, hey what do you think of countsy, I would (if I knew of your work ethic and dependability. I'll go on a limb and say its good.) ..I'd tell them that I think he's very capable.
IF you are...YOU ARE! Regardless of whether or not your a dick weed. (which you are).
IF you can draw dancing bears and singing monkeys...Your good for what the job needs.
I am PRETTY.
I am not petty.
As for me, I am comfortable with my skill sets. I am confident in what I can do. And in my work. If that is me, And someone comes to robo inquiring about me (which would never happen, believe me. You know as well as I do it is the work that matters and after looking at a portfolio, no one asks anyone anything.)
But what would robo say? That I cant draw? That I don't know what I'm doing? That I'm inexperienced?
No. Robo isn't a dummy (on some things yes-but not this). And he doesn't want to look like a dummy.
Now, how about a critique of the comic space members work that you screen grabbed.
1)cowchick: values, good. could pop the darks a bit more. No I take it back. Really needs more contrast. Don't be a chicken chitters with the values. I almost wonder if its just scanned badly.
2)BATMAN: I like this allot. Good values. Good contrast. Which is why I think that the cowchik might have scanned lighter. hmmm.
The gun is a little small too. Is it a gun? Does batman use guns? hmm. Anyway..I like it.
3)Storm tank spider thing: I hate this one. Its done well enough, but this type of stuff is so overly done. I just think its boring. This is probably done for games. The problem the games industry has is the same as the animation industry. They just want to do the same old thing over and over and over again. So I have sympathy for him on this one. Its fine tho. Just typical.
4)ZOMBIE COWBOY: I like zombies. So I like it. Face could use a little more polish though. But over all. Fine
5)SPACEMAN WITH GUN: I don't like it. muddled in the middle with the blast hitting the rock. Don't like the ink work. No where near as good as the graphite value work. Just my opinion.
Whoops. There's eight instead of four...
6)PAN GUY: I like this one. I wish it wasn't scanned blurry. I like his weight. I like the expression. I like his garb. OK, I like goat people. Countsy, IF you were half goat instead of half assed, I would dig you a whole lot more.
7)punker dude: Eh. Its OK. Something rubs me the wrong way on it. Not the drawing..maybe the painting of it. Maybe the color..I don't know. Just 'Eh'.
8)Vampire guy: I'd rework the face. Its too typical. Maybe that's whats wanted I guess. It's too typical though. Also the chest area needs work. Also the left hand is slipping for me. Re-work, Re-work.
Just my two bits. Overall, not too shabby.
Lets see....what else is there? Is that it? I think so, yeah.
I think that's that. I also think that I will take a little rest from you, countsy. Just for a little while. I really want to get some animation and comic posts up.
I'll beat on you again soon. Pat the robo on the noggin for me.
Tell him that I had gas today. And I pootied all the drive home. It was not good.
PS: And countsy, tell pelosi and moveon that I thank them for the continued funding for the war.I almost wish you guys had taken over congress earlier. I think we would have been able to get more of our agenda done. THANKS MUCH, fish taco!
Next post will be on: ANIMATION.
Just my two cents on it.
I see that you have taken down your blog countsy, so I'll respond as best I can from my memory of your last post.
you had a freeze screen up of a member to the 'comic space' group, that you associate to be me, and your caption is something to the effect of: " surprising, this from a guy who doesn't need the praise".
Lets look at some aspects of the member that you posted.
he/she is a member of the "comicspace forum"
As I said A LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago, I am involved in several art/animation/comics forums.
And I too am a member of the 'comic space forum.
When I look at this members gallery, I find it interesting that this person has four pieces in the 'gallery'. As opposed to most everyone else who has OOODLES AND OOOODLES of pieces up in their respective galleries. I also find it interesting that he/she has apparently entered those four pieces within a couple days--way back in what...may?
Now the work is fairly competent, doesn't he have any thing else to show? Or maybe he doesn't want to have a whole lot up. Why do you think that is the case oh king of stupid?
Lets move on to another point. Lets just say that it WAS me. Cute, cuddly, pizza nippled me.
IF you can remember a little while back, I remember telling robo, that I had spoken to some friends that are comic book artists(funnily enough through 'comicspace'). Telling them that I thought you guys were butt sniffers.
They (for the most part) pretty much agreed, being that you all were pretty much doing this for nothing more than being stroked by your friends. But they ALL told me that I was essentially going a bit far with my thoughts on 'art blogs'. That they, being artists in the comics, use their respective blogs as extensions of their portfolio's. And that it opens tons of doors for commission work, and that they have received numerous job offers THROUGH and because of them. They were serving a purpose OTHER than stoking their egos (which they said they didn't mind that either!:).
So I thought about this countsy. I thought about it long and hard. I kept telling robo that I might have an 'apology' for him. I finally DID tell him (robo) that after talking to my buddies, that I think I may have been a bit hard on him (and for that matter-you) on the blog issue. Now while I still think you two are kind of butt sniffers, I DO think that the blog thing can be useful in other ways other than making your friends giggle like school girls.
And I've even come around to the idea of putting up some work on a blog (at some point). So IF I were to open up a gallery on comic space, it might be very similar to the member that you screen saved. very sparse until I feel good about it. More comfortable with it.
But that's a fact jack. Nothing inconsistent at all. Just go back on my blog and look for what I told robo. Or (if his 'pragmatic' mind hasn't lapsed) ask him about it. Whether or not I said, JUST THAT.
The other thing if I remember correctly, is a screen grab of a 'references' list?
Listing robo, right?
Boy that IS something. Sooooooooooo, lets see. IF this guy IS me....THAT'S nerve huh??
My goodness gracious!! That would make me the ballsiest dude ON THE FACE
OF, OF
THE, THE
EARTH! EARTH,EARTH!!!!
We're talkin van wilder's bulldog cahones!! whoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
BAD MAMMMA JAMMMUH!!
Man, I seriously HOPE its me, because that's pretty balls nasty. If its NOT me, lets just say it IS, because that's so friggin impressive.Whew!!
Look countcrusty. I'm guessing by your 'this is priceless' comment, that IF this WAS me, you cant understand it. But now that I think about it, If I knew someone in the industry who I just don't get along with or didn't see I to eye with, and yet they were competent and good at what they did. I would TELL them to go ahead and list me as a reference and I would list THEM as such.
Even YOU..if someone came up to me and said, hey what do you think of countsy, I would (if I knew of your work ethic and dependability. I'll go on a limb and say its good.) ..I'd tell them that I think he's very capable.
IF you are...YOU ARE! Regardless of whether or not your a dick weed. (which you are).
IF you can draw dancing bears and singing monkeys...Your good for what the job needs.
I am PRETTY.
I am not petty.
As for me, I am comfortable with my skill sets. I am confident in what I can do. And in my work. If that is me, And someone comes to robo inquiring about me (which would never happen, believe me. You know as well as I do it is the work that matters and after looking at a portfolio, no one asks anyone anything.)
But what would robo say? That I cant draw? That I don't know what I'm doing? That I'm inexperienced?
No. Robo isn't a dummy (on some things yes-but not this). And he doesn't want to look like a dummy.
Now, how about a critique of the comic space members work that you screen grabbed.
1)cowchick: values, good. could pop the darks a bit more. No I take it back. Really needs more contrast. Don't be a chicken chitters with the values. I almost wonder if its just scanned badly.
2)BATMAN: I like this allot. Good values. Good contrast. Which is why I think that the cowchik might have scanned lighter. hmmm.
The gun is a little small too. Is it a gun? Does batman use guns? hmm. Anyway..I like it.
3)Storm tank spider thing: I hate this one. Its done well enough, but this type of stuff is so overly done. I just think its boring. This is probably done for games. The problem the games industry has is the same as the animation industry. They just want to do the same old thing over and over and over again. So I have sympathy for him on this one. Its fine tho. Just typical.
4)ZOMBIE COWBOY: I like zombies. So I like it. Face could use a little more polish though. But over all. Fine
5)SPACEMAN WITH GUN: I don't like it. muddled in the middle with the blast hitting the rock. Don't like the ink work. No where near as good as the graphite value work. Just my opinion.
Whoops. There's eight instead of four...
6)PAN GUY: I like this one. I wish it wasn't scanned blurry. I like his weight. I like the expression. I like his garb. OK, I like goat people. Countsy, IF you were half goat instead of half assed, I would dig you a whole lot more.
7)punker dude: Eh. Its OK. Something rubs me the wrong way on it. Not the drawing..maybe the painting of it. Maybe the color..I don't know. Just 'Eh'.
8)Vampire guy: I'd rework the face. Its too typical. Maybe that's whats wanted I guess. It's too typical though. Also the chest area needs work. Also the left hand is slipping for me. Re-work, Re-work.
Just my two bits. Overall, not too shabby.
Lets see....what else is there? Is that it? I think so, yeah.
I think that's that. I also think that I will take a little rest from you, countsy. Just for a little while. I really want to get some animation and comic posts up.
I'll beat on you again soon. Pat the robo on the noggin for me.
Tell him that I had gas today. And I pootied all the drive home. It was not good.
PS: And countsy, tell pelosi and moveon that I thank them for the continued funding for the war.I almost wish you guys had taken over congress earlier. I think we would have been able to get more of our agenda done. THANKS MUCH, fish taco!
Next post will be on: ANIMATION.
Just my two cents on it.
Monday, October 01, 2007
HEY ROBO!!
This was the last rehersal before the debut concert in charlotte NC, which by all press accounts said it WAS FRIGGIN AWESOME!!
COMON ROBO! I know your into all that listening to jazz and becoming a zen PHD or whatever but gotta git back to the roots boy!
SO GET SOME CLEAN UNDIES ON AND LETS GIT TO THE SHOW!!!
(you drive)
VH BABY!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO!
A POST REPLY -FINALLY!!!
OK countsy. Lets git to the dance.
First:
countsy:::
"".. I would debate you of there was anything valid to debate.......well, don't bother checking back in here. I'm done... I'm sure you'll crow about how you've chased me away, beat me down with your insane logic. Go ahead.""
That's the jist of it.
Countsy, I don't blame you for leaving in a huff. I do understand. You are out of your league. But please don't make excuses for it. "IF there was anything to debate". I've given you point after point after point. I've engaged you with the simplest question of whether that 'moveon'org' ad was over the top. You couldn't even admit that!
Why? because to do so would mean that you would have to cede that point OR side with the ad and come off like a crackpot, just like your fellow 'move on' idiots.
So when you cant even engage in the simplest argument, or at least defend your argument's...It really is not a shocker that you will stomp your widdo footsie, pick up your ball, swing your widdo pigtails in the air and huff away. I'm just surprised it didn't take longer. So I'll give you kudos on that at least.
Hey here's some parting questions for you to chew on. What do ya have to say for the violence being down by 50% in Iraq? What do you have to say about the stock market hitting record territory today? What do you have to say about unemployment being DOWN to record levels?
Helloo? No?
Nothing. Because to do so would mean to acknowledge GOOD news, and for a leftist- to do so would not be a good thing. Because in order for democrats to do well, they need America to do badly.
That's rather pathetic. But then...look who I'm talking to.
BUT your "DONE"! "Enough is enough!"
Translation:
'RUN AWAAAAAAAAYYY! RUN AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!'
(Ha ha! And for the record, Robo is the one bangin' the coconuts while following behind you.)
PS: The next post is the fun one! So check back tomorrow, lubricant.
First:
countsy:::
"".. I would debate you of there was anything valid to debate.......well, don't bother checking back in here. I'm done... I'm sure you'll crow about how you've chased me away, beat me down with your insane logic. Go ahead.""
That's the jist of it.
Countsy, I don't blame you for leaving in a huff. I do understand. You are out of your league. But please don't make excuses for it. "IF there was anything to debate". I've given you point after point after point. I've engaged you with the simplest question of whether that 'moveon'org' ad was over the top. You couldn't even admit that!
Why? because to do so would mean that you would have to cede that point OR side with the ad and come off like a crackpot, just like your fellow 'move on' idiots.
So when you cant even engage in the simplest argument, or at least defend your argument's...It really is not a shocker that you will stomp your widdo footsie, pick up your ball, swing your widdo pigtails in the air and huff away. I'm just surprised it didn't take longer. So I'll give you kudos on that at least.
Hey here's some parting questions for you to chew on. What do ya have to say for the violence being down by 50% in Iraq? What do you have to say about the stock market hitting record territory today? What do you have to say about unemployment being DOWN to record levels?
Helloo? No?
Nothing. Because to do so would mean to acknowledge GOOD news, and for a leftist- to do so would not be a good thing. Because in order for democrats to do well, they need America to do badly.
That's rather pathetic. But then...look who I'm talking to.
BUT your "DONE"! "Enough is enough!"
Translation:
'RUN AWAAAAAAAAYYY! RUN AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!'
(Ha ha! And for the record, Robo is the one bangin' the coconuts while following behind you.)
PS: The next post is the fun one! So check back tomorrow, lubricant.
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